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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 28, 2006 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: three thumbs down

When I offered to present a weekly favorite, I did so with no pretension of taking the place of the one who originated the concept. Dr. F. is a true student of Deadology and has a firm grasp of the whole canon. AND, he writes reviews of actual shows on a regular basis. Good stuff.

I figure I'm stepping on some toes. Or the board doesn't really care about the actual shows, just the minutiae that they can find in the annals of the Dead. It's disheartening to get 46 hits and two responses to a short presentation on a historic and superb show while such earth shaking links as favorite intros and covers we wish they did (over 300 hits) or best segue between Scarlet Begonias and Fire on the Mountain.
And, by they way, these are fine threads and worth the read.

But all too often, this board becomes a place for a handful of regulars to either digress within a thread or withhold commentary for all but the posts in their circle. I can understand why "lurkers" don't post that often.

I guess the point is that it just doesn't seem worth it to investigate, listen to, and critique shows when that is clearly not the purpose of this board.

And, so I turn it back over to you and, like the rest of you, eagerly await the return of the prodigal Dr. Flashback.

Meanwhile, how about a thread on Bobby's hairstyles? Should he have cut his hair? Did he wreck it with too many blow dryers?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

In no way do I want to cause offense to those who take the time to give us their thoughtful, detailed and considered opinions on shows that they'd like to share with us. The thing is that I don't come here to find detailed breakdowns on Dead performances - it's all just too damn subjective - but to pick up on the sense of community that binds us together. I like the give and take, the putdowns, the jibes, the back-up, the friendliness, the sharing. I like the rapid fire repartee. I like to cherry pick - I like to go out and listen to my fifty-seventh Jack Straw because somebody whose opinion I respect said it was the best Jack Straw they ever heard. I don't want to listen to a whole show like it was homework and I was being set a Dead test. That's why I never listened to a single Oprah. But that's nothing against Dr Flashback - I had a couple of exchanges with him and found him to be a good and generous man. I wish him well and look forward to his return to the forum.

That's it - said my piece.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 28, 2006 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Well put--that seems to be the purpose here--nice friendly chat about nothing in particular. What is the best "Jack Straw"?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 28, 2006 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

appropos of nothing in particular . . .
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=89261

Is this a take home exam?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

you'll notice I took no part in that one ...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

how is talking about individual songs or interesting sugues "nice friendly chat about nothing in particular"? (not trying to be a jerk) - also, i agree with rob to a certain extent - friendly banter is fun and breaks up a day.

i also don't often stream full shows - i am so backed up with all the great shows people have mailed me, it would be rude of me to stream here while putting their hard work on the backburner and ignoring what they gave/traded me.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

What's wrong with nice friendly chat about nothing in particular - alongside the odd well-aimed rabble-rousing barb? :-)

The 'best' Jack Straw is the one that rocks you today - even though it might leave you unmoved tomorrow...

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 28, 2006 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

"The 'best' Jack Straw is the one that rocks you today - even though it might leave you unmoved tomorrow..."

I must say, that was put beautifully! :)

So, 'much talk about nothing' might be somewhat my fault, as I have come on here and asked everything under the planet of you guys... age, occupation, family history, etc. and have gotten some of you to lighten up and therefore fall a little off the grateful dead track. Somebody once said that a forum was like the parking lot before the show.... did you talk about nothing but the dead there? I think not. you probably bullshitted about everything, around the grateful dead and why you were there. Hope the fact that we steer off course a lot is okay. It can be fun to get into back and forth chatter about nonsense.

On the other hand, in case I haven't memtioned, what I do when there's a thread like the Jack Straw example... I copy & paste, and then print notes, and if I haven't heard that version I will sometimes seek it out. And if I don't have that show, it goes on my list to look for with a little note next to it why and what to listen for. You should see the pages of notes I have. So keep talking. About everything. :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Hey Dancin and Robthe; two people I do respect...but you would not really be unmoved the next day (what is good has to stand the test of time; it is not entirely subjective or we wouldn't have so many people agreeing...people that do matter)...what matters matters, and you should consider that, and then reconsider the doc's plight...

No big deal--you two aren't the problem; you two are part of the solution, but it just isn't gonna work today.

And I don't think the doc would have a problem with anything either of you every posted...all he needed was a response, out of simple politeness. His detailed comments warranted that...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

gee WT - noticed i wasnt included - lol - now i know where i stand with you (as if i didnt) hah !

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-12-29 01:20:33

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Hopefully Dire old buddy you'll be able to stand on your own two legs before too long.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Whoops...missed you there...say something really cantankerous...or correct that spelling, and I will get back to you.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

spelling corrected - not into anything cantankerous lately - still know how i am taken here by you, orthodoc, and others, not much i can do about it at this point. it is what it is after 4 years on this forum. ive made my bed.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Hey guy--not true...at least from this end. I missed your post only because I think it moved down in the thread, but I did read it when I returned...my mistake.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

oh - thought there were some negative vibes from you toward me in the past???? i'm almost sure of it (not vitriolic by any means) - maybe i am mistaken??? i was kinda being a brat in this instance by saying you left me out. was only playin' - enjoy readin your posts though my friend.

but i truly had the feeling you have thought i have been nothing but a jerk (which if fine - to each his own) - much like orthodoc does

(and ducats, which is fine because i think he is too).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Dire--again, my friend (if I may), not my intention. You have made clear your penchant for a humorist post now and again, and a quick temper when wronged, but I have not had such feelings for you, and am sorry if it came across as such.

No, I think of you as the first person, along with Ian, to offer me music with no expectation of return...That counts for something.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

cool WT - i may have misinterpreted a couple of posts here and there (easy to do with the written work within the confines of a forum). I have always hoped to consider you a forum friend too, even when we disagree regarding certain issues (hope i have never been rude toward you - don't think i have). You are a GREAT contributor here and I hope if I give a playful jab here and there you know I respect you for what you bring here.

Peace my friend

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Cool; thanks for taking the time to respond.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Hey Dire, maybe the same way some people think you are a jerk (and they're wrong because I know you aren't), you might be wrong about them too.

It's hard to judge people only by what you read, because it all comes down to HOW you read it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

very true my friend - i don't mind certain people thinking i am a jerk though on this forum - keeps a certain mystery and fun to it. kinda feel bad WT thinks i am though - i kinda like him - that has been my fault i think.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Very well said, DB...I have so often re-read my own posts to see how it could have been interpreted and been shocked that I could have been sooo stupid to write it so...

You are a kind soul that I hope continues to play an important role here.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Thank you William... :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 28, 2006 8:07pm
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"kind soul?" (cough cough - hack...%#@(*&^)

oh sorry - an almond got stuck in my throat

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

William - I repect you deeply, my friend, but yes I do think it is largely (though not entirely) subjective. So much depends on your mood when you're listening. What matters matters today - but might not so much tomorrow. Maybe more so for me than for you. I should stop talking nonsense and go to bed I guess - gone midnight here now.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Thank you, Dancinbears. I think this may be our first direct contact, so hello to you! I agree that getting to know a little about the person behind the viewpoint can be illuminating. I think we're all dyed in the wool bullshitters to a certain extent - but hey, that's human nature. I'm always happy to go off course - sometimes you end up in more interesting place.

Don't know about this copying and pasting notes idea though. Hell, I don't even take a shopping list to the supermarket. Must be why I forget the milk so often...

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

well hello robthewordsmith... we get our chance to talk. :)

I come on this forum and 'bullshit' probably more than anybody, but I honestly read almost all the threads. I cannot begin to tell you how much I've learned too! I know the 'lists' thing might sound like work to you, but trading (and sharing) is my hobby and it equals fun and enjoyment for me. Just had to have a way to remember things... and scribbling on paper just wasn't doing it anymore!

But the bullshitting and making friends part... that makes me get off the computer with a smile on my face! :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Dancinbears - I'm just a disorganised guy I guess. Last I heard they couldn't shoot your for it! I know what you mean about a smile on your face - the number of times I've left this forum with laughter bubbling inside... There are good times to be had here. Glad to share them with you.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:36pm
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Thank you Rob... because of the things that happened when I first got here, I cannot begin to tell you how nice that was to read. :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:51pm
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Dancinbears you are very welcome. Going to bed soon but I look forward to further discussions!

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 28, 2006 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Just to respond and hopefully end this thread: I don't have a problem with anything. Once in a while you can get shown the light and all that. The board should be for fun and fun can lead to knowledge.

I think the idea of simply sharing something that just blew you away is better than presenting shows in some sort of pedantic manner. It seems to turn people off. I think some of the silliest posts get the best responses.

And, yes, Dancinbears, the best Jack Straw is the one you are listening to. Everything else is completely subjective anyway. I love the early stuff, others the later stuff. It's all good. And if it didn't change over the years, it would have been a long, dull trip.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

Sorry, Doc; you tried. I have noticed the disparity in posting topic wise...seems like the Grok has suffered the same fate.

Folks sometimes are a bit insensitive to the efforts of others, as we discussed back a week or two ago. I fear we have lost a few valued members as a result.

Hang in there my friend.

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Dec 28, 2006 1:16pm
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For what it's worth, when I read your post, I immediately noted that I had said show on my computer and spent a glorious afternoon listening to the show. Your commentary made it much more enjoyable. I'm a particular fan of 60s and early 70s (first show was 12/26/69 in Dallas). I'm mostly a lurker here and at LMA in general. You'll find that most of my posts are trying to help lost souls figure out how to get music from the archive to their IPOD. Sometimes this is very frustrating (i.e., "what do you mean by 'right click' on the file"). But when it finally works for someone after 17 messages, I feel I've done my duty to spread the joy of live music.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 1:57pm
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I have appreciated your efforts more than once as I am just past learning about 'right clicking'...thanks.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Dec 28, 2006 3:52pm
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Hey Doc - sorry to hear your stopping. I appreciate and always give your posts a read. I'm not a big poster because I only have time to check in once in a while and it does get discouraging sometimes to have to sort throught the mess to find musical topics.

I know the only reason I come to this board is to learn and share about GD and other good music. As far as being a place to just chat every day about whatever comes up, well I would rather just call someone and have the conversation. IMO, It's nicer to hear the voice.

I wish you would reconsider. Or at least don't hold yourself to a weekly post, maybe only as you are inspired.

Thanks Bro!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 28, 2006 4:08pm
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I second that...but I fear no one is reading now anyhow...Nice effort though.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 28, 2006 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

also fwiw, I actually cut and pasted what you said and printed to keep as one to get in the future since the same was not available for streaming.

More mousse would have helped with the excessive blow drying, and yes, the beard should go.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 28, 2006 10:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: three thumbs down

I'm sorry you feel that way Doc... I think it was VERY community minded of you to offer to step in and do, I think, A fine job of subbing for dr flashback in his absense! I enjoying reading the descriptions and details (only had time to skim this mornings, but will get to it) and appreciate the thought and effort put into them!!! I don't always listen to them, but I do have a list of "get to one of these days" shows almost 4 pages long in Word now. I 'm sure I don't listen to the Dead as much as most here, nowhere near like I used to! I miss the Grateful Dead so much still, that it's hard for still to listen too much ( I average 2 or 3 maybe 4 shows a week). I also really miss the community and comradery that always, yes even still in the 90's, surrounded the Dead and has been part, no, most of my life for almost 40 of my (approaching) 55 years. That's what I find so appealing about this forum, we can talk GD, we can dissect GD, share our stories and yes, even just have fun and clown around with kindred spirits...

OK, I'm getting longwinded and need to post the Grok time! I hope you will join in, I know there is still some interest... I saw furthur down the threads about it going by the wayside... It hasn't! Thanks again Doctor O, I've enjoyed getting acquainted with you, and all the fine people here! Catch you later, J